Comments on: Just how do you identify an alt online? http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/ Tateru Nino writes about virtual worlds, second life, statistics, culture, law, gaming, and eclectic oddities Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:15:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Yordie Sands http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-1213720 Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:59:13 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-1213720 I suppose I’m most concerned about hacked SL viewers. Do you know if LL has enough control over homegrown viewers being used in SL? I know they increased their controls after the Emerald debacle, but it seems to me there could be a market for selling IP addresses of avs, particularly to club owners and owners of large estates that have been griefed.

On a slightly different subject, I’m sorry to see that some products continue provide “actual” avatar online status; however, not long ago I tested to see if one of one product (still available) could detect a new alt I’d created and it couldn’t see it. It still detects all avatars older than 2011 (not sure of date, I had limited test subjects). This type of products must generate a continual stream of queries for avatar IDs and perhaps that activity could be identified by a Lab monitor service. I’m surprised that these types of tools are still permitted. Are you familiar with these products and why the Lab can’t stop them?

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By: Gwyneth Llewelyn http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-1211720 Thu, 08 Aug 2013 00:16:42 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-1211720 I guess that there is no 100% guaranteed way of doing that. If you have streaming on, then, yes, it’s possible to get that. You can also get a webpage on a prim set to auto-load. Both things can be turned off from the viewer, though, which means that this won’t catch all users — clever griefers will naturally turn both off. I’m not aware of other modes, except perhaps via a hacked SL viewer or a ‘bot running libopenmetaverse, and even so, I have my doubts that it will work in all cases: AFAIK, all communications are always client-server and never client-client, but I might be mistaken.

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By: Yordie Sands http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-1203162 Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:10:55 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-1203162 Pardon my ignorance here, but I thought the days when it was possible to detect someone’s IP address inworld were gone with Red Zone. I do understand that if you listen to a DJ then you’ll be allowing that DJ to tune into your IP address. Aside from that, how are inworld users getting your IP address?

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By: Roblem Hogarth http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-1014939 Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:08:18 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-1014939 “most people using alts for malicious purposes just really aren’t all that smart” Hit the nail on the head. Many times I have just used google to identify who’s alt is who, because what fun is griefing if you can’t brag about it. Sometimes alts are documented by someone else, yet they continue to try and use them anyway. There is a large community of SL invested people (shop owners/sim owners) on Plurk that share information so that disruptive alts will find themselves banned from dozens of popular locations before ever coming to them.

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By: merit coba http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-1001793 Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:21:28 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-1001793 I have actually various alts for making movies and pictures: each has a designated role. I also have two main avatars often online..as they work together.. one being the camera and the other making the scenes.

The blog starts with the general idea how to detect alts and then the idea of malicious alts slips in at some point. It almost seems as if having an alt is malicious in itself and the two meanings are interchangeable. And I notice that such is the case in Second Life: having an alt requires an explanation or a reason.
To me it seems rather pointless to spent time on detecting alts and once one travels down that road, paranoia will set in. If someone has an alt to cheat or lure you into a trap or grieving you.. you can talk to them or, if that doesn’t work or seems pointless, ban them just like you would do with any avatar that misbehaves.
And even if you know that someone is using an alt then what is it that you are going to do? Try to find out all the other avatars and ban them as well? Or ask linden to have the person banned based on a registered identity?
Seems quite fruitless.
Once you feel the need to detect someone you know for using an alt you might put the question to yourself: what am i doing? Or: don’t i have something else to do?

However, i do sometime feel I that some people shouldn’t abuse the anonimity that second life provides to misbehave. But some do that regardless of having an alt or not.

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By: Niko Donburi http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-991426 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:59:57 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-991426 Another method of identifying a potential alt is to examine the profile “picks” and status stream updates of both avatars and look for common slurl locations. Many times you’ll find that a person will put up a “pick” about someone or something from their own parcel and the pick will automatically reflect their location. They’ll do it from both their main and their alt so the location will be almost identical.

If you find a couple that overlap, try TPing to that location and check out the properties of the parcel. You might find that only certain people have access to the parcel or that it is owned by a specific group. Although groups can be hidden from ones profile, if the group is open enrollment you can join and often see who the other members are. This “reveal other members” function can be turned off, but often people don’t do it. A main will almost always give an alt a higher role in a group so that the alt will have similar powers to the main.

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By: Mewling http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-978019 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:21:49 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-978019 I have an alt – there, I’ve said it. But what I use her for is to test things on my sim as a non-owner, since owners sometimes get a different menu from items than a non-owner. I also have a non-human alt used strictly for RP or occasional play with friends (it’s a large dragon that can give rides).

I expect most sim owners have an alt just so they can see the sim through the eyes of a visitor, and to make sure things are working like they should. I make no secret of my alt being an alt, and most of my friends know who she is, so alts in and of themselves are not a bad thing.

I have encountered alts who are there for various not so pleasant reasons as well, as have we all. But as said in the original post, they almost always give themselves away in some manor. During the days of Red Zone I was ejected from a place once I had never been before because I was tagged as an alt when I was in my main avi. I can only imagine it found another IP address the same as mine or similar. I use a cable modem and know for a fact the address changes, so obviously checking IP addresses is a waste of time.

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By: Tigro Spottystripes http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-954104 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:28:43 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-954104 Wasn’t there an alt detector that would monitor the behavior of the avatar (things like movement patterns, timing between messages and length of them etc) ?

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By: Lindal Kidd http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-933766 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:03:26 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-933766 This is the flip side of the freedom that is internet anonymity. Once someone believes something of you, whether it is true or not, there’s not much you can do to prove them wrong. I blogged about this, at http://acrossthegridwithlindal.blogspot.com/2012/08/trust-distrust.html

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By: Chrono Cogshine http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-932854 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:48:09 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-932854 I had real problems in new babbage as several people believed that i was an alt of someone they kicked out, trying to sneak back into their community. People started openly calling me by that persons name.

I`m sure there are still people out there who think this is the case and there is nothing i can do to convince them otherwise. It’s very upsetting.

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By: Mistletoe http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930978 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:22:12 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930978 I agree with that for the most part. I have an av for playing and an av for working, whom I generally call “co-mains”, and I’m in no way secretive about their identity (I attempted to be in the past, and that lead to a big old cock-up, so I try not to do that anymore).

I agree that if one’s use of an alt is in no way malicious, there’s no reason not to take them at face value.

If, however, an alt is used maliciously, such as to stalk someone who has cut off all known contact with them, I don’t believe it necessary to OUT the IP address but I do think it very useful to KNOW the IP address (which I do via blog posts, rather than via SL activity). It’s saved me a world of headaches, because by knowing my stalker’s IP address I can also recognize others from the same geographic area, and combined with “wrist” it makes it much easier to spot them and then shut them off.

Something I’ve noticed about alts is that they tend to frequent the same haunts as the main. Similar (sometimes even identical) groups, for example.

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By: eddi haskell http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930845 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:40:17 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930845 Just about everyone i know who is a serious Second Life uses an alt or a few. Either for inventory storage, the ability to stay anonymous, or even the ability to cheat on a spouse or partner anonymously — just about everyone uses one.

I have one who I am very public with that allows me to keep the blogging side of me “business”. Everyone knows, its in my profile and on my web site and no secret.

Here are some of my views on alts:

First, anyone who attempts to find out if their partner is cheating on them, either by outing their alt, or trying to seduce their partner with an alt (yes, as ridiculous as this sounds, is done quite a bit) really needs to find something better to do with their spare time. Second Life is not real life, and trying to apply the same rules when it comes to monogamy is something that does not make much sense. If you think your partner is cheating on you, and are wasting the time to uncover them, you have some issues to address.

Everyone must accept the fact that some people, especially active bloggers and business people, need an anonymous log in now and then.

Third, it is an illegal activity in Second Life to try to uncover IP addresses. For good reason too. Privacy must be protected.

I agree, alts do tend to slip up, simply because it becomes more of a game. And the penalty of being unmasked as an alt is not exactly that great.

But honestly, people need to find something else to do with their Second Life other than spend time trying to uncover someones multiple identity.

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By: NeoBokrug Elytis http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930790 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:35 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930790 With everything you’ve written, this is exactly how I detect most of the alts I’ve banned. However, there’s even one other method. For the most part, I find that secret alts can’t keep quiet about their secret. People who’ve banned from a place usually tend to brag to friends about how they’re suddenly “in”. Those friends, who for some reason or another love the place more than the alt, and will often rat them out. Personally, on it’s own that’s not reason enough to ban a suspected alt, but it does bring them to my attention. From there I watch for the wrist and tells.

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By: Thaumata Strangelove http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930709 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:52:32 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930709 Couldn’t agree more. I am a very good typist, but always joke that anyone paying attention could ID my alts by noticing the single mistake I make relatively often. I myself discovered someone’s alt simply because her cadence and choice of phrasing in her new store’s notices were quite familiar and used a lot of phrases I’d thought of as “hers”.

You can make a new alt but wherever you go, well, there you are.

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By: Pep http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930684 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:27:35 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930684 The problem of identification arises principally because it is difficult to differentiate the written English of ESLers from that of the semi-literate denizens of SL.

Pep (Which two categories make up 90% of SL residents.)

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By: Tateru Nino http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930554 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:42:50 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930554 Pardon me, quite right. “Wrist”, as a term, didn’t come about until keyboards and teletypes were about. Will add in a correction.

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By: Maggie Darwin http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930523 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:15:46 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930523 The distinctive personal style of sending Morse is called “fist”.

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By: Maggie Darwin http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2013/01/20/just-how-do-you-identify-an-alt-online/#comment-930522 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:15:45 +0000 http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/?p=5867#comment-930522 The distinctive personal style of sending Morse is called “fist”.

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